Peter Boomgaard appointed (IN)BETWEEN LEIDEN AND AMSTERDAM Since 1991, Dr. Peter Boomgaard (48) has been the director of the Royal Institute of Linguistics and Anthropology (KITLV) in Leiden. In May 1994, he was appointed honourary professor of economic and environmental history of Southeast Asia, Indonesia in particular, at the Centre for Asian Studies Amsterdam (CASA), University of Amsterdam. By Mario Rutten and Henk Schulte Nordholt Peter Boomgaard studied history at the Free University in Amsterdam, majoring in social and economic history. His M.A. thesis focused on demographic developments in Mexico. Following a short-term lectureship in social history at the Erasmus University Rotterdam, Boomgaard returned to the Department of History of the Free University as a lecturer in social and economic history in 1972. Due to practical reasons, he had to change the location of his doctoral research from Latin America to Java. His teaching load at the Free University did not allow him a sabbatical leave to conduct his planned demographic historical research in Latin America. He then decided to change his focus to the demographic history of Java, as he expected most of the data to be available in the archives in the Netherlands. Although he soon discovered that this was only true for a small part of the data needed, he had by that time become senior enough to be allowed a sabbatical leave to conduct archival research in Jakarta. Changing his focus to Java allowed him to follow up on an earlier discussion in the Netherlands on demographic history in Java, conducted by Wim Wertheim, Jan Breman, Bram Peper and others. In 1987, Boomgaard defended his PhD thesis, which was entitled Children of the Colonial State; Population Growth and Economic Development in Java, 1795-1880, at the Free University in Amsterdam (published as CASA Monograph 1 in 1989). From 1983 to 1987, Peter Boomgaard worked on secondment at the Royal Tropical Institute in Amsterdam. As successor to P. Creutzberg, he became the new editor of the series Changing Economy in Indonesia, a selection of statistical source material from the early 19th century up to 1940 (initiated by W.M.F. Mansvelt), published by the Royal Tropical Institute. In 1991, Peter Boomgaard left his senior lectureship at the Free University to become the director of the Royal Institute of Linguistics and Anthropology (KITLV) in Leiden and in May 1994 he was appointed honourary professor at the Faculty of Social Sciences of the University of Amsterdam and the Centre for Asian Studies Amsterdam (CASA). YOUR HONOURARY PROFESSORSHIP AT THE UNIVERSITY OF AMSTERDAM IS LINKED TO THE KITLV, WHAT IS THE HISTORY OF THIS CHAIR? The Royal Institute of Linguistics and Anthropology (KITLV) is an institute linked to the Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences (KNAW). It is a national institute, based in Leiden. In order to strengthen the ties with different universities in the Netherlands and with the various disciplines taught there, the board of KITLV has an interest in a fair distribution of chairs in different universities in different fields, occupied by senior staff members of the institute. One honourary professor was already appointed for the study of Islam in Indonesia at the University of Leiden (Dr. C. van Dijk) and one for the study of the Caribbean at the University of Utrecht (Dr. G.J. Oostindie). The socio-economic historical profile of the third chair matched the Asian programme of the University of Amsterdam. As a senior lecturer at the Free University, I had already participated in CASA from the time of its establishment in 1987; I had been chairman of the editorial board that had set up various series of publications. The board of CASA and of the faculty of Social Sciences were enthusiastic about setting up a chair in environmental and economic history of Southeast Asia within the University of Amsterdam in order to strengthen the historical and socio-economic components in their Asian studies programme. YOU HAVE BEEN APPOINTED PROFESSOR IN THE ECONOMIC AND ENVIRONMENTAL HISTORY OF SOUTHEAST ASIA, PARTICULARLY INDONESIA. CAN YOU TELL US SOMETHING ABOUT YOUR FIELD OF STUDY? I consider economic and environmental history to be only part of my future research and teaching programme. If it had not been such a lengthy title, I would have preferred the chair to be named a chair for 'economic, environmental, social, medical, and demographic history of Southeast Asia'. All these aspects are very closely interrelated and it is my ambition to study them in connection to each other. It is very difficult, even impossible, to study the economic history of a society without understanding its social history; or to study the economic development of a region without paying attention to its environmental history. Knowledge of epidemic diseases, for example, and of concomitant developments in the medical profession, are very important in understanding economic and demographic changes in a specific country over time. The emphasis on traditional medicine within medical anthropology today is strongly in need of a historical component. Traditional medicine in Indonesia today is different from what was in the 1880s for example. Traditional medicine in Indonesia is not something static, but has developed in interaction with Western and Chinese medicine. In my new position I would therefore like to initiate interdisciplinary research projects along the line of the so-called EDEN project (Economy, Demography and Ecology in Nusantara) of the KITLV. This project gravitates around the study of ecological history in Indonesia, but at the same time has a clear emphasis on demographic and economic changes. As a professor at the University of Amsterdam, I can therefore envisage guiding PhD students in social, economic, environmental, and medical history of Southeast Asia. YOUR MAIN FIELD OF STUDY IS THE SOCIO-ECONOMIC HISTORY OF INDONESIA. WHAT IS YOUR OPINION ABOUT THE STUDY OF INDONESIA IN THE NETHERLANDS? Dutch scholars on Indonesia have always studied Indonesia in isolation from Southeast Asia. Over the years, I have become more and more convinced that the different societies located in Southeast Asia should be studied in relation to each other. The fact that my chair for the study of economic and environmental history deals with Southeast Asia is not just a matter of window-dressing; it is something I really would like to pursue. Indonesia is located in Southeast Asia and should be studied as such. The study of Indonesia in the Netherlands is not only characterized by a narrow focus, but also by a lack of theoretical reflection. To the extent that Dutch scholars have attempted to make theoretical analyses, they have almost always fallen back on the same few authors, such as Boeke and Geertz. Within the literature on Indonesia, there have been hardly any references to theories on economic development that have developed with regard to Africa and Latin America. In general, the study of Indonesia in the Netherlands has been rather parochial. In my new position, I hope to contribute to a broadening of the perspective in the study of Indonesia, first by studying Indonesia as part of Southeast Asia and second by putting more emphasis on theoretical reflection. The study of Indonesia in particular and of Southeast Asia in general is heavily biased towards to the study of peasants. This is mainly the result of our pre-occupation with the Cultivation System which resulted from a fascination with rice cultivation, with sawahs. Our interest in Southeast Asia stops at the border of the village. Most of us have never considered the 'modern' sector to be an interesting topic of research. In my view, this is the result of the dominance of Boeke's concept of the dual economy, a concept which has done much harm to the study of Southeast Asia. It has given us a pre-occupation with the study of peasants because we have always been under the impression that peasant society in Southeast Asia has been unaffected by outside influences. It gave us the idea that if you wanted to study Asian society, you had to study peasant society, because all other sectors of the economy were considered to be a western Fremdk”rper and therefore an alien part of Asian society. We now realize more and more the one-sidedness of this approach and the damage it has done to our understanding of Southeast Asian society. We should do away with the concept of the dual economy once and for all and put more emphasis on the study of the urban and non-agricultural sectors of the economy, and of those people living in the forests, the so-called tribal people. One final way in which I want to broaden the perspective in the study of Southeast Asia is to bring in my background as a European trained historian. I have always been interested in the debates on the differences in developmental paths in Western Europe and Asia. The historical study of European economic development is far more advanced than that of Asia. Maybe this is less so in the case of India, China, and Japan, but it certainly is in the case of Southeast Asia. As a European-trained historian, I hope to contribute to a new comparative perspective within the study of history of Southeast Asia by bringing in the comparison with European history. I am therefore particularly looking forward to future collaboration with colleagues within the Amsterdam School for Social Science Research (of which CASA forms a part), which concentrates on the study of Asian and European societies in comparative perspective. In order to make such a comparison successful, however, we do need to have much more knowledge on the history of Asia in general and that of Southeast Asia in particular. WITH YOUR APPOINTMENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF AMSTERDAM AND YOUR DIRECTORSHIP OF THE KITLV IN LEIDEN, YOU OPERATE SIMULTANEOUSLY IN THE TWO MAIN CENTRES FOR ASIAN STUDIES IN THE NETHERLANDS, BOTH HAVING A DIFFERENT ACADEMIC TRADITION. IS THIS AN INTERESTING OR A CONFLICTING COMBINATION? I Certainly feel that my present position is a very interesting one. Leiden has a tremendous know-how with regard to the study of linguistics and culture of Asia. In this, it has a clear advantage over Amsterdam. In terms of library facilities, Leiden is also much better equipped than Amsterdam, even if we include the collection of the library of the Royal Tropical Institute. Theoretically, however, Leiden is much less interesting. An exception to this might be the study of anthropology, which is able to compete with the French anthropologists. If I compare the academic tradition in Amsterdam and Leiden, however, I find Amsterdam theoretically more interesting. I am therefore looking forward to the possibility of increasing interaction with my colleagues in Amsterdam. You can say that by working in Leiden and Amsterdam simultaneously I definitely have the best of both worlds in terms of Asian studies in the Netherlands. The only problem is that, having my home in Amsterdam, I am too often not only academically but also physically in between Leiden and Amsterdam.